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[#2601] Add event in active calendar
Summary Add event in active calendar
Queue Kronolith
Queue Version 2.0.3
Type Enhancement
State Resolved
Priority 1. Low
Owners
Requester micha (at) kovoks (dot) nl
Created 09/14/2005 (7256 days ago)
Due
Updated 09/20/2006 (6885 days ago)
Assigned
Resolved 09/20/2006 (6885 days ago)
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09/20/2006 05:02:31 PM Chuck Hagenbuch Comment #15
State ⇒ Resolved
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Done in HEAD.
11/28/2005 07:15:25 PM micha (at) kovoks (dot) nl Comment #14 Reply to this comment
I still think that's confusing and odd behavior. There's a difference
to me between viewing/not viewing a calendar, and actually
"deactivating" it.
Ah right, well it's not that obvious to me, but well let's first see 
how your current aprouch works out.
11/28/2005 06:12:49 PM Chuck Hagenbuch Comment #13 Reply to this comment
I still think that's confusing and odd behavior. There's a difference 
to me between viewing/not viewing a calendar, and actually 
"deactivating" it.
11/28/2005 06:05:02 PM micha (at) kovoks (dot) nl Comment #12 Reply to this comment
Yes, that one makes sense.
And if you have only 1 calendar (not your default) active, that 
calender should be used is handled the same way?
11/28/2005 04:44:10 PM Jan Schneider Comment #11
State ⇒ Accepted
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Yes, that one makes sense.
11/28/2005 04:32:19 PM Chuck Hagenbuch Comment #10 Reply to this comment
I think we should make the change for hitting the + in side-by-side 
views - if you're in context of a specific calendar, use that 
calendar. Otherwise I'm not inclined to mess with this for now.
11/28/2005 04:02:33 PM Jan Schneider Comment #9 Reply to this comment
I still think this would be too confusing, but someone could do a 
quick poll on the kronolith list to see what the end users think.
10/27/2005 12:15:05 AM Chuck Hagenbuch Comment #8
State ⇒ Feedback
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I personally need to think about it a bit, but I'm not ruling it out 
outright. Any other opinions?
10/26/2005 10:33:00 PM micha (at) kovoks (dot) nl Comment #7 Reply to this comment

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Which preference are you talking about? If you are talking about the 
select your default calendar. Well, imho that means normaly:



If the program can't figure out what calendar to use, use this default one.



This is for example the case when you are viewing more than one 
calendar and the program can't figure out in which calendar to put the 
event.

Although it is a little strange for the user (again imho) that,  when 
he is viewing 2 or 3 calendars and not his default, the event is 
(without warning) placed in his default calendar.
Also, I think you might just need some user retraining here -
Kronolith is designed to overlay multiple calendars; selecting one
consultant's calendar and deselecting the previous one is likely as
many/more extra clicks than picking the right calendar in the New
Event screen.
That depends a little bit on how the workflow goes. If you are 
planning 1 consultant after the other one, this is more work. Although 
if you are planning them in mixed order than it makes a lot of sense 
to select the right one in the add event screen.



Just to be sure i don't think you should get rid of the 'select 
calendar' option (absolutely not!). And the 'select default calendar' 
option has it's use. I only think that the 'create event' action could 
preselect the 'select calendar' option a little bit more intelligent.
B.t.w. If you use the month view with more calendars side by side,
clicking the + sign does not what you expect. If you click on the +
it also always preselects the default calendar, even if you click on
the + in another calendar.
This I could see changing.
Shall i make a new ticket for this one?
A way to combine this with the default calendar option is to
preselect  the default calendar if that is one of the active
calendars and preselect the 'current' calendar if there is only one
other calender active.
I don't know if that rule is intuitive to users, though, and if it's
not intuitive, it's going to seem _very_ random.
I think the following ruleset could be quite intuitive:

- If there is only 1 calendar active: preselect that calendar

- If your default calendar and one or more other calendars are 
visible: preselect your default calendar

- If your default calendar is not active and more other calendars are 
active: preselect none and add a warning: please select your calendar

This last one could be replaced by the following rule:

- If your default calendar is not active and more other calendars are active:

preselect your default calendar and after saving display a message: 
this event is saved in your default calendar: calendarname



I personaly don't think that this ruleset will bring more problems 
than the current situation.



Thanx for reading and if you think this idea is acceptable, i will put 
some time in it to write a patch.
10/26/2005 03:55:22 PM Chuck Hagenbuch Comment #6 Reply to this comment
It was not the idea to introduce a new preference. The idea was:
You are looking in 1 calendar because you are planning for that
consultant. My user expected to enter a new event in that calender
when she clicked the (+) sign. But that is not the case, the event
goes to the default calendar instead.
The question was to set the active calendar preselected in the
'Create Event' screen.
So that's not really a new preference, but it completely muddles the 
purpose of an existing one.



Also, I think you might just need some user retraining here - 
Kronolith is designed to overlay multiple calendars; selecting one 
consultant's calendar and deselecting the previous one is likely as 
many/more extra clicks than picking the right calendar in the New 
Event screen.
B.t.w. If you use the month view with more calendars side by side,
clicking the + sign does not what you expect. If you click on the +
it also always preselects the default calendar, even if you click on
the + in another calendar.
This I could see changing.
A way to combine this with the default calendar option is to
preselect  the default calendar if that is one of the active
calendars and preselect the 'current' calendar if there is only one
other calender active.
I don't know if that rule is intuitive to users, though, and if it's 
not intuitive, it's going to seem _very_ random.
10/26/2005 12:42:28 PM micha (at) kovoks (dot) nl Comment #5 Reply to this comment
I'm not shure this is the place to discuss about this, but.....
That is user unfriendly
It is user unfriendly to give them a dozen calendar preferences which
all do something only slightly different.
It was not the idea to introduce a new preference. The idea was:

You are looking in 1 calendar because you are planning for that 
consultant. My user expected to enter a new event in that calender 
when she clicked the (+) sign. But that is not the case, the event 
goes to the default calendar instead.

The question was to set the active calendar preselected in the 'Create 
Event' screen.



B.t.w. If you use the month view with more calendars side by side, 
clicking the + sign does not what you expect. If you click on the + it 
also always preselects the default calendar, even if you click on the 
+ in another calendar.



A way to combine this with the default calendar option is to preselect 
  the default calendar if that is one of the active calendars and 
preselect the 'current' calendar if there is only one other calender 
active.



Greeting,



Micha
10/26/2005 11:02:42 AM Jan Schneider Comment #4 Reply to this comment
That is user unfriendly
It is user unfriendly to give them a dozen calendar preferences which 
all do something only slightly different.
.... In this case it was a secretary that
keeps track of 4 calendars for the consultants. She then has to keep
switching the default calendar and what's worse. When she enters an
No, she just needs to select the correct calendar when she enters a new event.
10/26/2005 10:54:53 AM micha (at) kovoks (dot) nl Comment #3 Reply to this comment
No, the default calendar exists for a purpose. If you don't need it,
aka don't display it, then set a different calendar as the default
calendar.
That is user unfriendly.... In this case it was a secretary that keeps 
track of 4 calendars for the consultants. She then has to keep 
switching the default calendar and what's worse. When she enters an 
event the event is 'lost' in here opinion. (which off course is not 
the case, it just is in here 'default' calendar.)



I know it's 'only' a useability issue, but hey, when your app is 
getting more popular these issues will popup more I think.



For now, i've instructed the secretary to double check the calendar 
name, so do with this information what you want.
10/25/2005 11:31:53 AM Jan Schneider Comment #2
State ⇒ Rejected
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No, the default calendar exists for a purpose. If you don't need it, 
aka don't display it, then set a different calendar as the default 
calendar.
09/14/2005 01:03:01 PM micha (at) kovoks (dot) nl Comment #1
Priority ⇒ 1. Low
Type ⇒ Enhancement
Summary ⇒ Add event in active calendar
Queue ⇒ Kronolith
State ⇒ New
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If a user has 1 calender active, it would be nice that events are 
added to this calendar, even if it is not his default calendar.



Maybe an option to show only the active calendars in the 'new event' 
screen would be an idea?

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