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[#7783] Interface misleads users into losing messages
Summary Interface misleads users into losing messages
Queue IMP
Queue Version 4.3.2
Type Bug
State Duplicate
Priority 2. Medium
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Requester agullo (at) ati (dot) es
Created 12/16/2008 (6045 days ago)
Due 12/16/2008 (6045 days ago)
Updated 12/16/2008 (6045 days ago)
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Resolved 12/16/2008 (6045 days ago)
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12/16/2008 01:14:36 PM Jan Schneider Comment #3
State ⇒ Duplicate
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And please stop creating duplicate tickets.
12/16/2008 01:07:40 PM arjen+horde (at) de-korte (dot) org Comment #2 Reply to this comment
Still, messages are getting lost, and that is a fault I cannot
oversee.  The 'Blame the people for not learning to do things our
way' approach I think is out of any serious usability conception.
You still don't get it, do you? Again, this is not a bug, but behavior 
that is mandated by RFC-2822:



"The originator fields also provide the information required when 
replying to a message.  When the "Reply-To:" field is present, it 
indicates the mailbox(es) to which the author of the message suggests 
that replies be sent.  In the absence of the "Reply-To:" field, 
replies SHOULD by default be sent to the mailbox(es) specified in the 
"From:" field unless otherwise specified by the person composing the 
reply."



In this case, the operator of the mailing list (the originator of 
mailing list messages) has decided not to munge the reply field. If 
you don't like that, your should complain to the people operating the 
mailing list.
12/16/2008 12:52:38 PM agullo (at) ati (dot) es Comment #1
Priority ⇒ 2. Medium
Patch ⇒ No
Milestone ⇒
Queue ⇒ IMP
Due ⇒ 12/16/2008
Summary ⇒ Interface misleads users into losing messages
Type ⇒ Bug
State ⇒ Unconfirmed
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Hi, I reported earlier today about how the 'Reply' option misleads 
users into addressing their list messages to the wrong address, which 
results in the mail list missing messages without anyone noticing.

My report, numbered 7782, was answered in a quickly way which I do 
appreciate.  I've been told the usability bug I reported of is 
actually a deliberate choice related to some ancient discussion about 
"Reply-To" munging which I just think is way off its time.  But then, 
IMP is Open Source, and released under a license that allows me to use 
it for free, and I should be just happy about people making it.  So 
all right, I can accept IMP has got to have different options, one for 
replying to the sender and another to replying to the mail list.

Still, messages are getting lost, and that is a fault I cannot 
oversee.  The 'Blame the people for not learning to do things our way' 
approach I think is out of any serious usability conception.

Usability is about to make things work the way people expects them to. 
  We are in 2008, and today when people clicks on a 'Reply' option 
expects to send the reply *to the same place it came from*, and that 
includes mail lists.

So, all right, keep the separated options for replying to the sender 
and to the mail list.  But then, I you do so, if you're smart enough 
to detect the messages that need a 'Reply to list' option, then don't 
allow the option for replying to the sender to be named 'Reply'.  This 
is only misleading - you're fooling people into getting their messages 
lost.  Rename that option into 'Reply to sender', and that will be 
just fine.



Thank you for your attention.

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