Sat, 04 Apr 2026 17:19:05 +0000 https://bugs.horde.org/ticket/12720 Mark sent-mail folders to show up in / hide from special folder container With multiple identities, the sidebar container (dynamic IMP) gets crunched with ,,Sent'' folders. Having four or more identities already starts reducing the usability of the sidebar folder navigation quite a bit. Especially if the folders are named equally (with different parent folders, of course). A solution to this is a new IMP::Pref parameter ('sent_mail_folder_is_special') which allows the user to select if an identity's sent-mail folder is supposed to show up in the special folder container of the sidebar or not. Mon, 30 Sep 2013 10:20:30 +0000 https://bugs.horde.org/ticket/12720#t80827 > With multiple identities, the sidebar container (dynamic IMP) gets > crunched with ,,Sent'' folders. Having four or more identities already starts > reducing the usability of the sidebar folder navigation quite a bit. > Especially if the folders are named equally (with different parent folders, > of course). > > A solution to this is a new IMP::Pref parameter > ('sent_mail_folder_is_special') > which allows the user to select if an identity's sent-mail folder is > supposed to > show up in the special folder container of the sidebar or not. > Mon, 30 Sep 2013 10:21:33 +0000 https://bugs.horde.org/ticket/12720#t80828 Quite frankly, the number of people that have more than 2-3 identities is extremely small. So adding an additional parameter just for this few people is not a great idea. A better solution would instead be to store all sent mailboxes in a separate container. This method requires no configuration and works for all setups. Mon, 30 Sep 2013 21:47:28 +0000 https://bugs.horde.org/ticket/12720#t80840 Hi Michael, I have been using Horde 3 for years now and want to migrate to Horde 5. The issue with the sent-mail folders is a usability blocker for me atm. > Quite frankly, the number of people that have more than 2-3 > identities is extremely small. So adding an additional parameter > just for this few people is not a great idea. The people around me (e.g. in my GnuPG keyring) have 3 UIDs / identities or more. So that point is not taken. Also frankly said, I could completely do without the special folder container and just have all folders in one tree. The special folder container takes up so much space (more than half of the sidebar with all my sent-mail folders in it). The rest of the mailbox tree is buried under it. So, for me another option would be to have the special folder container removed completely (including the INBOX) and have all those folders re-intregated into the mailbox tree (I have already tested that). Though with a removal of the special folders container, I would love to have custom icons for INBOX, sent-mail, trash, templates, drafts. Furthermore, I have other ,,important'' folders (mail filtered into them by sieve) that I cannot add to the special folders container (apart from using the config part in the backend, but that's not user specific, but backend specific, so no option). However, this is nothing that can be easily worked into the current special folder implementation (IMHO). The special container as of now is great for standard mailboxes, but not very generically configurable. If I have a non-standard mail account like mine (containing something like 500.000 mails from server logs and mailing lists) its actually more in the way then of any help. > A better solution would instead be to store all sent mailboxes in a > separate container. This method requires no configuration and works > for all setups. But still, I would have eight sent-mail folders (all with the same name shown, stripped off of their full paths / parent folder names) dangling around. A combination of both (selectable sent-mail folders and an extra container) would be cool ;-). light+love, Mike Tue, 01 Oct 2013 08:12:06 +0000 https://bugs.horde.org/ticket/12720#t80844 >> Quite frankly, the number of people that have more than 2-3 >> identities is extremely small. So adding an additional parameter >> just for this few people is not a great idea. > > The people around me (e.g. in my GnuPG keyring) have 3 UIDs / > identities or more. So that point is not taken. The fact that you know what a GnuPG keyring is means that you are in the 1% of users. We have Horde/IMP installations that have *millions* of users. These are "Gmail" type users - they want a simple e-mail client. Most of them only have 1 identity. This would thus be adding a feature that would potentially negatively affect the 99% of users while only benefitting 1% of users. That doesn't mean it can't be done. But that means you have to think out the UI/UX before going forward so that those 99% of users AREN'T affected just to give advanced functionality for a few. > Also frankly said, I could completely do without the special folder > container and just have all folders in one tree. The special folder > container takes up so much space (more than half of the sidebar with > all my sent-mail folders in it). At the beginning of the project, we had several usability experts give us input on this. Their overwhelming recommendation is that those special mailboxes are necessary for the 99%. Most people only use a couple of mailboxes. These mailboxes tend to be the special mailboxes. Thus, those special mailboxes need to be in view and present at all times. > The rest of the mailbox tree is > buried under it. For the record - I have something like 200 mailboxes. And I have never thought there is inadequate space in the mailbox list. > So, for me another option would be to have the > special folder container removed completely (including the INBOX) and > have all those folders re-intregated into the mailbox tree (I have > already tested that). Though with a removal of the special folders > container, I would love to have custom icons for INBOX, sent-mail, > trash, templates, drafts. We would consider a patch for this. But it's going to take a bunch of work to abstract this. Especially since the current code in javascript is designed with the special mailboxes section in mind and there is the Folder Actions menu that would need to be placed somewhere (quite honestly, it doesn't make much sense to put at the top of the list, above INBOX, so that's a question that needs to be addressed before anything is done). The custom icon data is already abstracted and completely independent of the special mailbox location, so there's nothing to do there. > Furthermore, I have other ,,important'' folders (mail filtered into > them by sieve) that I cannot add to the special folders container > (apart from using the config part in the backend, but that's not user > specific, but backend specific, so no option). However, this is > nothing that can be easily worked into the current special folder > implementation (IMHO). This is exactly what the special_mboxes backends.php config option is for. Granted, this is a config file only, as opposed to a user-editable thing. But that is simply because nobody has taken the time to write the UI for it. It neither interests me greatly, nor has anyone funded the work, so that's why it doesn't exist. Tue, 15 Oct 2013 05:39:29 +0000 https://bugs.horde.org/ticket/12720#t81057